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RC Modeli => MultiRotor => Topic started by: BPatrik on June 29, 2015, 12:48:10 pm

Title: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 29, 2015, 12:48:10 pm
Početnik sam u ovom hobiju i imam pitanje.Unaprijed hvala na odgovorima.Želio bih složiti quadcopter ali ne znam koji mi propeleri trebaju koja veličina.Koliko  inča.Kako to izračunati.


Setup: Motori  http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__52857__NTM_Prop_Drive_28_30_800KV_270W_Brushless_Motor.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__52857__NTM_Prop_Drive_28_30_800KV_270W_Brushless_Motor.html)
         : Esc       http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__65157__Turnigy_Multistar_30_Amp_BLHeli_Multi_rotor_Brushless_ESC_2_6S_V2_0.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__65157__Turnigy_Multistar_30_Amp_BLHeli_Multi_rotor_Brushless_ESC_2_6S_V2_0.html)


Baterija: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__11927__Turnigy_nano_tech_4000mah_3S_25_50C_Lipo_Pack.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__11927__Turnigy_nano_tech_4000mah_3S_25_50C_Lipo_Pack.html)


Flight control board: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__39791__Hobbyking_KK2_1HC_Multi_Rotor_Hard_Case_Flight_Control_Board_With_Remote_Programmer.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__39791__Hobbyking_KK2_1HC_Multi_Rotor_Hard_Case_Flight_Control_Board_With_Remote_Programmer.html)








Još jedanput  Hvala na odgovorima
Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: shogun on June 29, 2015, 08:52:01 pm
pise ti u komentarima 3s i ti motori 12inchni propovi
Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 29, 2015, 09:03:04 pm
Hvala

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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 29, 2015, 09:46:20 pm
U kojim komentarima može link

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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 29, 2015, 09:46:27 pm
Hvala

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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: vedronebo on June 29, 2015, 09:53:38 pm
U kojim komentarima može link

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Kako misliš u kojim komentarima? Ovdje na forumu? Ili na HK? Ovdje može uvijek, jedino se drži teme.

LP,
milan
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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 29, 2015, 10:09:57 pm
Shogun mi je napisao da je to u komentarima

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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 29, 2015, 10:10:47 pm
Tako da ja još uvijek ne znam koji mi prop treba.

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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: vedronebo on June 29, 2015, 10:14:39 pm
Shogun mi je napisao da je to u komentarima

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  jordan (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/CustPublicDetails.asp?id=1432857) (http://cdn.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/images/thumb_up.png) 1 points - 10/9/2014 
 

 as far as i know you can use these on 3s and on a 500 quad and you should be able to use 12 inch props just dont be doing crazy **** with it and keep the throttle down ...
 

(http://cdn.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uploads/avatars/guest-avatar.jpg)   Tarek-Dubai (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/CustPublicDetails.asp?id=1496712) (http://cdn.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/images/thumb_up.png) 1 points - 10/6/2014 
 

 And a 12 inch props
 

(http://cdn.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uploads/avatars/guest-avatar.jpg)   Tarek-Dubai (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/CustPublicDetails.asp?id=1496712) (http://cdn.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/images/thumb_up.png) 1 points - 10/6/2014 
 

 Anyone know if i can use this motor with the S500 quad and 3S battery?
 

---  RC2211 (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/CustPublicDetails.asp?id=1161834) (http://cdn.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/images/thumb_up.png) 381 points - 9/28/2014 
 

 Anyone have thrust tests?
 

(http://cdn.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uploads/avatars/guest-avatar.jpg)   Mathew (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/CustPublicDetails.asp?id=1484076) (http://cdn.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/images/thumb_up.png) 1 points - 9/22/2014 
 

 It turns out you can't remove the prop!
--- RC2211 (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/CustPublicDetails.asp?id=1161834) (http://cdn.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/images/thumb_up.png) 381 points
(http://cdn.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/images/200plus.png) You will be able to remove the prop off of any motor. First you need the prop adaptor.
Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: modernwarfare on June 29, 2015, 10:16:13 pm
Ovako ako procitas recenzije skuzit ces da su ovi motori podosta koma ... Kk2.1 nije nesto posebna ploca i bolje ti je umjesto nje uzeti cc3d koja je mnogo mnogo bolja za manje love a esc-ovi su heli mode a koliko ja znam uzimaju se obicni i prebacuju na simonk ako vec nisu na njemu lp .
Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: vedronebo on June 29, 2015, 10:20:49 pm
Za svaki proizvod na HK, imaš dolje komentare. Jedino nema zaneke proizvode koji su ili novi ili ih još nitko nije komentirao.

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Ovdje imaš diskusiju, tj. komentare, dojam korisnika, poneki video i fajlove; dokumentacija, firmware ako se radi o nekom proizvodu koji se može flash-ati i slično. I ja sam se gubio u početku, jer je previše informacija na istoj stranici koje su nebitne, pa te 'zaslijepi'. No pažljivim promatranjem ipak nekako dođeš do rezultata.

Ovdje se kaže 12 incha ali za bateriju od 3S. Negdje ima kalkulator, no nisam još ulazio u tu tematiku pa mi nije trebalo. Za više napoone (3-6 S) ide manji prop sa manjim korakom, samo ti ne mogu sa sigurnošću reći koji i koliki korak. Mislim da negdje na forumu ima već tema oko odabira motora i propova, kao i sve ostalo, jedino treba njuškati.

Kad budeš imao prilike doći na desktop kompjuter - naći češ sve prije, jer ti je na tvom smratphoneu sve ograničeno.

Nadam se da sam pomogao.

LP,
milan
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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: vedronebo on June 29, 2015, 10:29:36 pm
Uh, ovo gore nikako da skontam kako da formatiram veličinu slika (da smanjim poradi štednje prostora). Nisam se igrao sa kodovima za to. Molim pomoć.

LP,
milan
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EDIT: obrisao sam nepotrebne slike. Vidim da pod "Reviews" nema ništa. Valjda nitko nije našao vremena za to. No, koliko vidim, ovaj motor ide do 270W, dakle 4x270= 1080W. Čovječe, 1 kilowat!
Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 30, 2015, 08:41:28 am
Druge ću motore.
Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 30, 2015, 09:01:11 am
Odlučio sam se za ove motore http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__25081__NTM_Prop_Drive_Series_28_30S_900kv_270w_short_shaft_version_.html

Jer su puno bolji i kvalitetniji te sam se odlučio za cc3d controller

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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: vedronebo on June 30, 2015, 09:13:14 am
Odlučio sam se za ove motore http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__25081__NTM_Prop_Drive_Series_28_30S_900kv_270w_short_shaft_version_.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__25081__NTM_Prop_Drive_Series_28_30S_900kv_270w_short_shaft_version_.html)

Jer su puno bolji i kvalitetniji te sam se odlučio za cc3d controller

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 "James (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/CustPublicDetails.asp?id=1115010) (http://cdn.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/images/thumb_up.png) (http://cdn.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/images/thumb_up.png) 2 points - 6/18/2015 
 

 Not a suggested motor for your RCExplorer.se Tricopter any longer. I bought when they were, David has since changed the recommended motor. These have less than capable bearings. If anyone can drop a link to some quality, replacement bearings, that would be great."

  "Nathan (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/CustPublicDetails.asp?id=1602348) (http://cdn.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/images/thumb_up.png) 34 points - 4/28/2015 
 

 these shouldn't even be advertised as a multirotor motor. They have a ridiculous amount of vibration, tons of slop, and noisy bearings."

Valjda je vjerovati onima koji su to kupili i isprobali.

LP,
milan
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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 30, 2015, 09:20:45 am
Ja sam pročitao recenziju na hobbykingu

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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 30, 2015, 09:21:11 am
Piše da su tihi dobri..

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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 30, 2015, 09:21:46 am
Kome vjerovati

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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 30, 2015, 09:25:13 am
Ili ove

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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 30, 2015, 09:26:06 am
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__39314__NTM_Prop_Drive_Series_28_26A_1200kv_286w_short_shaft_version_EU_Warehouse_.html?strSearch=Ntm%2028-26%201200

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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 30, 2015, 09:27:07 am
Vedronebo koje ti misliš da bi bilo dobro uzeti

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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 30, 2015, 09:28:03 am
[emoji33]
Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: grofzg on June 30, 2015, 09:29:37 am
Imam NTM 1200kv motore na quadu, nisu loši al lageri brzo odlaze. Makar su moji motori letiti već kod 4tm pa nisu kupljeni skroz novi. Ja sam zadovoljan zasad dok ne kupim nekaj bolje.
Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: vedronebo on June 30, 2015, 09:46:05 am
Vedronebo koje ti misliš da bi bilo dobro uzeti

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Pravo da ti kažem, ne znam. Ja bi prije vjerovao David Windestål-u, no on ima novaca, pa uzima najbolje stvari. Kad dođe do trenutka da budem imao dovoljno sredstava, tek onda ću moći znati koje motore i ostalo da uzmem. Ovi od 270W su mi malo prejaki, mislim praviti nešto skromnije. Ako već nemaš frame, možda bi bilo bolje da uzmeš motore sa manje KV brojem i većim propelerima - sporije se vrti i trebalo bi značiti da manje troše ležajeve. No, sve ovisi kako su ti propeleri balansirani - oni znaju dosta pokidati ležajeve, barem sam imao taj slučaj na avionu.

Isto tako, ovo mi je korisna informacija koju si naveo gore oko trošenja ležajeva. Dakle cijena motora je ok, ali samo ako se ne tiskaju preko mjere. Plus, bilo bi lijepo da postoje rezervni djelovi, barem  ležajevi za motore. U opće nemam pojma oko toga - meni je mehanika stran pojam, iako se nekako snalazim.

LP,
milan
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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 30, 2015, 10:07:07 am
Mislim da ću uzeti ove 1200 kv moj prijatelj ih ima i kaže da su ok

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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 30, 2015, 10:08:00 am
Grofzg

Gdje kupuješ lagere

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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: grofzg on June 30, 2015, 11:06:09 am
Daj pogledaj u mojoj temi, kolega je stavio linkove na lagere. Trenutno sam na mobu pa nemogu traziti linkove.
Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: modernwarfare on June 30, 2015, 12:25:57 pm
A zasto uporno ides na ntm ? Gledaj best buy motori za multije su ti sa rc timer-a hp serija i sunny sky koje mozes svugdje nac ... Ne kazem ja da ntm-u fali nesto ili da su losi,samo ti sugestiram da si uzmes ono sto je najbolje za uzet a isto love te dođe .
Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: shogun on June 30, 2015, 12:26:55 pm
sta nije tu jedan decko narucio te mtm pa su mu se brzo raspali lezaji
Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 30, 2015, 01:50:23 pm
Je li može neki prijedlog koje uzeti motore za tu lovu

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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 30, 2015, 01:53:36 pm
Možda ovi ima li tko iskustva http://ebuying365.com/product/4622443332/

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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 30, 2015, 01:55:06 pm
Meni je isto u interesu uzeti najbolje za tu lovu.

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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 30, 2015, 02:02:44 pm
Q450

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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 30, 2015, 02:03:24 pm
Ukupna masa 2-2,5 kg

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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 30, 2015, 02:03:56 pm
Modernwarfare

Jesu li ovi dobri

http://www.eurorc.com/product/10294/dys-multi-rotor-brushless-motor-2217-930kv

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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: grofzg on June 30, 2015, 02:09:30 pm
Pogledaj stranice koje ti savjetuju. Znači počni na rctimer gledati i nemoj štediti na motorima.
Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: modernwarfare on June 30, 2015, 02:29:05 pm
1. plasticni q450 nema mjesta za 12' propelere
2. ta letjelice nemoze niti pomocu neznam ti ni ja kakvih trkikova imati 2 i pol kg
Tako da molim vas prvo neka covjek kulturno napise za sta je letjelica,dali ima iskustva,koju stanicu misli koristit i koloiko love moze dat za sada na nju a onda tek da mu preporucajemo djelove ...
Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 30, 2015, 02:39:40 pm
Imam oko 2000 kn za sve, nemam baš puno iskustva,mislim ga koristit za letenje a kasnije i fpv,stanica turnigy 9x

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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 30, 2015, 02:40:30 pm
Flight controller  cc3d

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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 30, 2015, 02:43:49 pm
Punjač imax b6, a baterija 3s 4000 mah 25-50c

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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 30, 2015, 02:50:47 pm
Može nacrt svaka pomoć dobro došla.
Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 30, 2015, 03:17:45 pm
Mislio sam uzet ovako:


Rc timer:


http://rctimer.com/product-858.html (http://rctimer.com/product-858.html)
http://rctimer.com/product-1067.html (http://rctimer.com/product-1067.html)
http://rctimer.com/product-559.html (http://rctimer.com/product-559.html)


Bangood:


http://www.banggood.com/OpenPilot-CC3D-Flight-Controller-Bent-Pin-STM32-32-bit-Flexiport-p-956366.html (http://www.banggood.com/OpenPilot-CC3D-Flight-Controller-Bent-Pin-STM32-32-bit-Flexiport-p-956366.html)


Hobbyking:


http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__8992__Turnigy_9X_9Ch_Transmitter_w_Module_8ch_Receiver_Mode_2_v2_Firmware_.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__8992__Turnigy_9X_9Ch_Transmitter_w_Module_8ch_Receiver_Mode_2_v2_Firmware_.html)


http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__11927__Turnigy_nano_tech_4000mah_3S_25_50C_Lipo_Pack.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__11927__Turnigy_nano_tech_4000mah_3S_25_50C_Lipo_Pack.html)


I jedan esc za napajanje. 


http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__55241__Afro_ESC_12Amp_Ultra_Lite_Multi_rotor_Motor_Speed_Controller_SimonK_Firmware_Version_3.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__55241__Afro_ESC_12Amp_Ultra_Lite_Multi_rotor_Motor_Speed_Controller_SimonK_Firmware_Version_3.html)
Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 30, 2015, 05:05:14 pm
Baterija http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__9957__ZIPPY_Flightmax_4000mAh_3S1P_40C.html

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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on June 30, 2015, 05:05:34 pm
Koji bi tu prop išao koja veličina

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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: shogun on June 30, 2015, 09:23:05 pm
Dji 2212 920kv motori 40 dolara 4 komada
Propeleri 1045 na 4s bateriju
ili 9445 na 3s bateriju 4 dolara 2 para
Regleri opto 30a 25 dolara 4 komada sa simonK
Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: wirevt on June 30, 2015, 11:33:41 pm
Dji 2212 920kv motori 40 dolara 4 komada
Propeleri 1045 na 4s bateriju
ili 9445 na 3s bateriju 4 dolara 2 para
Regleri opto 30a 25 dolara 4 komada sa simonK

Si siguran za propove i batke u kombinaciji. :)
Ti motori su predviđeni za 10" prop na 3S batki,, 8" na 4S
Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: shogun on July 01, 2015, 08:25:17 am
jes dobro si to skuzio 3s 1045
4s8045

ja sam na 3s i 9443
Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on July 01, 2015, 12:40:07 pm
 
FlyMeToTheMoon

Je li mi ovi propovi pašu
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__22453__Slow_Fly_Electric_Prop_11x4_7R_SF_4_pc_Green_Right_Hand_Rotation_.html

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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: shogun on July 01, 2015, 12:42:47 pm
to su 4 ista a ti trebas dva cw a dva ccw

poslao sam ti privatu poruku, pa ti posaljem linkove
Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on July 01, 2015, 01:24:33 pm
Moj mail flyfreak9@gmail.com

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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: BPatrik on July 01, 2015, 04:25:39 pm
Može neka preporuka,link

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Title: Odg: Quadcopter-pomoć
Post by: George on July 01, 2015, 04:27:29 pm
http://www.flyfreak.net/oglasimultirotori/p-propeleri-hq-12x4-5-dva-para/ (http://www.flyfreak.net/oglasimultirotori/p-propeleri-hq-12x4-5-dva-para/)


:D