HC izlazi sa Turnigy Vbarom??
Zasada samo teaser sa naljepnicom...tko zna sto je unutra. Gau 365?
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Njemacka verzija Alignovog 3Ga?
http://www.freakware.de/shop/artikel/31437/MICROBEAST.htm (http://www.freakware.de/shop/artikel/31437/MICROBEAST.htm)
140 Eurica... nije lose.. MEMS senzori, S.BUS i spektrum satelite ready
Ovako to preveo Google
Serijski ulaz pulsa (PPM / S-BUS / spektra) se mogu koristiti samo za nadogradnju softvera. Da biste ažurirali softver, USB sučelje i najnoviji softver je potrebno.
Flybarless revoluciju!
MICRO ZVIJER ima kućište od aluminija kompozitne konstrukcije. Sa svojim
male veličine, može se instalirati u praktički svaki model helikoptera
biti. Instalacija može MICRO ZVIJER i horizontalno i vertikalno
. Done
Senzor se temelji na najnovijim MEMS tehnologije. Kroz softver
svojim sofisticiranim senzor obrada podataka je instalacija u električnim i
Izgaranje model helikoptera moguće.
MICRO ZVIJER može biti sa dodatni adapter kabela čak kao stražnji-
Žiro koristiti. Ovaj ehlt empfi posebno za povezivanje putnike od konvencionalnih
Veslo sustav polako KRUTIM-a s tri osi
želim tražiti rješenje (3G-Žiro način rada).
Dobro osmišljenog i jednostavan setup ide brzo iz ruke i to je
ne nužno skupo programiranje okvir ili računalo. Dakle,
također na aerodromu mnoge postavke jednostavno i lako
biti promijenjen.
Izgrađen-in MICRO ZVIJER swashplate mikser programa čini ga
Osim toga, korištenje jednostavnih daljinskog upravljanja koji ne
swashplate imaju vlastite mix (NO MIX).
MICRO ZVIJER može nositi više vrsta iznosa signala (PPM / S-BUS
/ Spectrum). Uz dodatni spektar satelitske adapter je izgrađen-in
Zatvoreni model helikoptera, čak i bez velikih Kabelaufkommen moguće.
Obnove i prilagodbe (setup) može lako
s dodatnom USB sučelja USB2SYS "o sučelju ZVIJER LINK
biti provedena. je softver za Windows i Mac je besplatan za
preuzimanje na www.BEASTX.com (http://www.BEASTX.com)
A sada na engleskom
MICROBEAST has an aluminum composite design casing. Its slight di men sions allow it to be installed in practically any model helicopter. MICROBEAST can be installed horizontally as well as vertically.
The sensory system is based on the newest MEMS technology. Software with sophisticated sensor data processing makes installation in electrical & nitro model helicopters possible.
With an optional adapter cable, MICROBEAST can also be utilized solely as a tail gyro. This is recommended especially for whoever is switching from the conventional paddle system and wants to slowly approach the RIGID operation with the 3 axle solution (3G-Gyro Mode).
The well-thought-out and easy setup goes smoothly with no need of an expensive programming box or computer. This makes it easy to still change a number of settings even at the airfield.
Moreover MICROBEAST’s integrated swashplate mixer enables the use of simple remote control systems which do not have their own swashplate mixing (NO-MIX).
MICROBEAST is able to process many types of sum signals (PPM / S-BUS / Spektrum). With the optional Spektrum Satellite Adapter, installation in indoor model helicopters is also possible without a great number of wires.
Updates and advanced setup possibilities (Setups) can be done com fortably with the optional USB interface „USB2SYS“ via the BEASTLINK interface. Software for Windows & Mac can be downloaded free at www.BEASTX.com (http://www.beastx.com/).
Content:
• MICROBEAST
• Receiver connection cables
• Mounting material
• Adjust tool
• Instruction manual
Optional Accessories:
• USB-Interface (settings / update)
• Spektrum-satellite adapter*
• Tail-Gyro connection cable
Technische Daten:
Operating voltage: 3,5V...8,5 V DC (Lipo 2s possible)
Processor: 32Bit ARM
Analog processing: 17Bit
Sensor technology: 3 MEMS angular rate sensors
Adjustable servo center pulse width:
Tail: 760μs / 960μs / 1520μs
Adjustable servo pulse rate:
Tail: 50 Hz / 165 Hz / 270 Hz / 330 Hz
Swashplate: 50 Hz / 65 Hz / 120 Hz / 200 Hz
Build-in swashplate mixer:
Mechanical / 90° / 120° / 140°
Serial pulse input:
PPM / S-BUS / Spektrum-satellite*
Size: 34 x 25 x 13,5 mm
Weight without cable: approx. 20 g
Evo stavili ga kinezi u ponudu;
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=11733 (http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=11733)
Super, isto MEMS senzori, cijena odlicna.
Izgleda mi kao rebrandani Rondo ili kako se ono zvao.....
Da Rondo se zvao, a sad ih prodaje i Thunder tiger kao svoj proizvod pod istim imenom.
Kučište izgleda isto al pitanje što je unutra. Ja bi pričekao komentare prije kupovine.
Cijena je sasvim ok, kad još uzmeš da je progbox u cijeni ...
Nije Rondo nego Axiom 720... isti K :)
MIslim da neče biti ništa od toga jer ni align nije uspio napraviti dobar flybarless sistem tako da sumljam da oni mogu nešto bolje.
U ostalom njemci su zeznuti i nije lako njih skopirati tako da bez obzira na sve V-bar ovaj orginalni je po meni vrh govorim za sebe jer ja trenutno za bolje neznam.
Evo nam uskoro i TotalG-ja
http://curtisyoungblood.com//TotalGSpectacular/dr/Total%20G%20Spec%20Flyer.pdf (http://curtisyoungblood.com//TotalGSpectacular/dr/Total%20G%20Spec%20Flyer.pdf)
Cijena isto kao SK 720 399$
Mislim da možemo očekivati pad cijene V-Bar-ova ispod 399$ ili nešto novo i od njih.
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Najjači FLB
1. AC3X
2. V-Bar
3. Gyrobot
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4.BeastX
5.Skokum
6.Align ....
Mal denarja malo muske :D Nemci so najjači v elektroniki ;)
:D :D
Ali vidim da jako hvale novi SK720, da je u rangu V-Bara
Dokler ga ne sprobam ne vrjamem :)
Skookum 720 se može direktno uspoređivati samo sa Gyrobotom 900 jer koriste isti set senzora, MEMS gyro 3x i akcelerometar 3x.
Ostali nemaju akcelerometre, pa prema tome nemaju mogućnosti za koje su oni potrebni, a to je begginer kod gyrobota i bailout kod skookuma, a zapravo se radi o mogućnosti povratka u stabilni let iz bilo kojeg položaja. S tim da gyrobot može raditi i sa flybarom za razliku od skookuma.
Slažem se sa Parkyjem da treba pričekati da ga drugi isprobaju i da dođe update firmwarea (u prvom bailout ne radi - ako to nekome treba?).
Kao što rekoh:
http://www.fast-lad.co.uk/store/mik4238ca_mini_v-bar_flybarless_system_v4-customer_appreciation_deal-p-10249.html (http://www.fast-lad.co.uk/store/mik4238ca_mini_v-bar_flybarless_system_v4-customer_appreciation_deal-p-10249.html)
Jest da je to za one koji već imaju nešto od Mikada kupljeno kod FastLada, ali mislim da pokazuje da je prodaja V-bara posustala i da će cijena biti trajno smanjenana 316$.
To je po mojem akcijska ponudba, ker je tudi 20let V-stabija (obletnica) ... So pa vredu naredili ;)
pitanje za helikopteraše sa stažem.....
je li netko isprobao GU-365?
gdje bi bio na "listi" GU-365?
kupio sam jedan, a kolko sad vidim, Turnigy za malo višu cijenu bi trebao biti dosta bolji??? :'(
GU bi isao na broj 10 recimo.
Ok je za neke skale i 200 size helice.... nista od 3Da i akrobacija.
Ima piezo ziroskope na sve 3 osi pa em sto je osjetljiv na vibracije i ne drzi bas :)
nije za acro i 3D??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
kupi ko novi gu-365? :(
Testflight Flybarless GAUI GU-365 + SONIX FL HEAD for SPORTSMOTO.CO.UK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbWk4gS-a8c#ws)
a nije baš takva banana kak si opisal Wesp.... ;D
bar se nadam, tj. izvjestil bum iz prve ruke.... ako, tj. dok poterem prvi put sa gu-365 onboard ;D
Flybar je za bokce...a i sta ce tebi to kad ne znas letjet....sta laprdas..... :P :D
Flybar je za bokce...a i sta ce tebi to kad ne znas letjet....sta laprdas..... :P :D
povuci RUCNU !
Flybar je za bokce...a i sta ce tebi to kad ne znas letjet....sta laprdas..... :P :D
:) istina, a znaš onu staru.... ;D ;D ;D
http://www.mojvideo.com/video-pogum-vaja-dela-mojstra/80407d168af5a5f560c5 (http://www.mojvideo.com/video-pogum-vaja-dela-mojstra/80407d168af5a5f560c5)
Jos jedan kandidat
http://www.heliflightcenter.com/SJGD_FS600_Flybarless_Unit_LCD_Pro_box_p/fs600.htm (http://www.heliflightcenter.com/SJGD_FS600_Flybarless_Unit_LCD_Pro_box_p/fs600.htm)
Sjecate se kopije spartana? To je ista firma, ovaj put su kopirali ... Turnigy-ja?
Sve je to isto.... Axiom, SJGD i Turnigy.
Samo druga naljepnica.
I cijena ...
Evo misljene od MrMel-a
I've completed my tests on the BeastX for now, here is my feeling about it.
First of all I would like to tell how I done testing, I flew 8 packs where breaking in with a flight in the middle with my "known" heli (second L600 which is my normal flying machine) as I know the mind adapt very fast it's easy to miss stuff.
My "known" setup is same mechanical setup with different FBL Solution, otherwise identical.
I test one type of move each time, tweaking and trying it again and disregard other things while doing that.
I did try two different mounting tapes, no big difference between them.
I pushed it hard today (http://rc.runryder.com/img/smilies/smile.gif)
UPDATE: My initial review reflected the best I could get with "standard setup", it turned out I couldn't really get it that good without changing hardware (never tested that though), however, in conjunction with a little crude beta program that allowed me to tweak P/I of the Tail and Cyclic I could circumvent the need to change any hardware, and to get it flying good.
Setup: Very easy but still versatile, will be even more so with a English manual (which is out now)
Spoolup: I suggest slight negative pitch since the heli can start to drift on the ground due to ground vibrations, could throw off any newcomers.
Hovering: I tested from low -> high gain, too low gain and it starts to drift, with good gain it hovers hands off.
Forward flight: Tracks perfectly, total effortless.
Fast forward flight: No problem in FFF, big loops without issue, tracks perfectly through it, Tail wag comes in FFF if your tail gain is too high (see more under tail)
Backward flight (FF and FFF and tailslides): No issues with the tail.
Stationary piros: Perfectly level, no issues.
Rolls/Flips: Rolls and flips nicely, very very slight "going out of track/in track" on flips.
Tictocs: a little wobbly elevator tic tocs (tested with various gains), aileron tic tocs is very nice and perfectly inline
Rainbows: Effortless, sometimes a little wobble on elevator axis, tail struggles a bit at pitch changes.
Tail:
- Tail struggles a bit (compared to what i'm used to) with hard pitch changes it's kicking out.
This is tweak'ble in the system in the future.
- Piro consistency in no-wind and slow movement is OK, piro consistency in higher wind/FFF was not good with "easy setup settings", very much whipping (almost to a point of stop), with additional tweaking of I-gain I could get this to a point of "good" in high wind situations, so it will be fixable.
Cyclic:
- Sportflying:
Cyclic feels good, you tweak the Main gain to get distinct stops.
- Response, Secondary pot gives you adjustment from VERY soft to very distinct control
- 3D flight - Updated (with higher I-Gain on the cyclic and tweaked tail for better piro consistency) :
- Piro funnels: No problem performing both with and without reversals.
- Piro in FFF: Stays on Track (piro optimization working)
For the following moves, Depending on your servos you might need to tweak I-Gain for good performance.
- Piro rainbows: No problem.
- Piro tictocs: Still a bit hard to get nice, perhaps more I-Gain is the answer but mine was fairly ok.
- Piro flips: You need to either learn or tweak your gain to get good flow (much dependent on blades used), but in general no biggie.
- Piro loops: with the improved tail and cyclic, no issues..
Overall, for sportflying or even 3D where there is no piro maneuvers I say its good, but for 3D with piro moves, at least on my machine, I NEEDED to tweak the P/I relationship.
This is my feel, from the information that is known as of today (with updated system), this is a new system, so it might be that as time go by more info will emerge.
I cannot say if this is the "right" system for you, but with above information you at least see my view on it.
Molim moderatora da piše na Hrvatskom jer bi i drugi kolege modelari voljeli znati o kakvoj jedrilici se radi !
Hvala
Da slažem se s kolegom Robijem :-X
Skookum 720 na FastLad-u:
http://www.fast-lad.co.uk/store/skookum_sk-720_flybarless_system-p-10696.html?osCsid=265c6a305ca1ec5c3779cf56395e1316 (http://www.fast-lad.co.uk/store/skookum_sk-720_flybarless_system-p-10696.html?osCsid=265c6a305ca1ec5c3779cf56395e1316)
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